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Ranged Bow
80 - 121 Damage Speed 1.80
(55.8 damage per second)
+7 Stamina
Durability 90 / 90
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increases ranged attack power by 36.

Still sucks tho .. buy the repeater ..

Commentaire de 7491

As of patch 2.0.1, this item now costs 22,500 Honor Points and 40 Arathi Basin Marks of Honor. And no longer requires Grand Marshal.

Commentaire de 8888_

After the recent honor "nerf" it takes a bit longer to achieve Grand Marshal Weapons. However, it still is fun to do :)

Commentaire de 4999

All I can say is that its an awesome bow but looks horrible.

Commentaire de 81272

Confirmed this is now 15,300 honor and you need 40 AB marks as of 2.1.0

Commentaire de 153024

Does anybody use this bow these days anymore? Im BM hunter and looking for a nice bow. I dont raid so honor and rep only works for me...

Commentaire de 155196

i use this bow

Commentaire de 297848

i got it for my warrior :P

Commentaire de 328959

Still use this when farming, the lower dmg prevents me from pulling agro from my pet. And ofc i still love the looks of this baby :)

Commentaire de 337208

I would not get this for warrior or rouge due to it being ranged attack power and if you are a hunter try to get https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=18855 or https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=18836 beacuse of dps

Commentaire de reaper194

Think i should have gone with the gun as i'm a dwarf?

Commentaire de 527641

Price is 185 honor now in 4.0.1

Commentaire de 876781

All of the horde weapons are sexier.

Commentaire de Klunk

I like this bow best of all because it's the best way ever to show those Hordies that you're EXTREMELY DEADLY.
It grants you INSANE DPS!

Commentaire de Tamerleyn

It says that it cannot be transmogrified, so when I reach 85 I won't be able to make my ranged weapon look like this? :O Don't know why they've done this to us :(

Commentaire de Thottbot

:-(

Commentaire de Thottbot

hey im just stuck between the bullseye and the repeater. i mean i like the look of bullseye and the speed better than the repeater but i dont know if its the right choice. i mean getting bigger crits are usually the best. someone help me?

Commentaire de Thottbot

I will soon be the proud owner of a GM bulsey, i chose the bow over the xbow because the bulsey is faster so it procs my barrage, go for the throght and improved aspect of the eagle more often. The crossbow may hit harder but the bulsey hits way more often.The only negative to the bulsey is how many arrows it uses.

Commentaire de Thottbot

i chose the bullseye over repeater, and i cant say im disappointed. i would have chosen it anyway because the xbow looks nasty^^

Commentaire de Thottbot

With WOW 2.0, the bullseye had its DPS increased to 55.8.

Commentaire de Thottbot

kk just adding that this is one of the best bows in the game and wait there is more -

Its not that expensive!
(costs as much as like one piece of FM so just get this....)

Commentaire de Thottbot

I almost have enough honour to get this bow, just a question will u find another bow better than this between 60 and 66?

Commentaire de Thottbot

ehm is this bow good for alterac valley and raids to horde lands?pleass answer i been looking for the best bow or gun for level 60 pvp at AV

Commentaire de Thottbot

i loves the bow, its HOTT and it doesnt agro so much as the xbow (as previously stated) and that is something i really look for in a bow, obviously because as a hunter my most powerful atacks are ranged. (PvE)

Commentaire de Thottbot

this is a very good bow

Commentaire de Thottbot

This is a rly good bow, but i think the gun is better...

Commentaire de Thottbot

The bow is better for Beastmasters becuase they have a 20%increase in ranged speed also they have quicks shots but the crossbow or gun is better fr Marksmanship or survival becuase you hi a lot of high crits no good having a fast bow with no crits if your mm and need power which your pet cant give

Commentaire de Thottbot

it only takes 20 arathi basin marks now im pretty sure. so dont go getting 40 (like i did) and realizing that you only need 20 :)

Commentaire de Thottbot

well i worked up to get 40 so im on my way to stormwind right now to check it out

Commentaire de Thottbot

Its so weak, there 4 you have 2 aim high, by the time it hits the target, you've shot another. At max range (41y) I can fire off 5 shots with out the first 1 hitting, If I'm close I can aim real high, put rapid fire one, then hit about 20 shots. At lvl 60 I could kill afk 70 mages in about 20 secs with out them even knowing.

Was taken from a 2.10 speed Bow...

Anyone wanna break his record?

Commentaire de Thottbot

hello guys, I roll with a gryphon wing longbow for speed and a carapce spine crossbow for damage, i suggest for those of you who want this to get the crossbow first, pwn in pvp until you get enough honor for the bow, and then your set until 70!

Commentaire de Allakhazam

ill give you a hint, they dont put this guy as a shop for the GMs,

get off of your 10-19 twink, on to your 60, and earn the last PvP ranking, in which you can buy his items

thats all ill tell you

Commentaire de Allakhazam

OK folks I took some time to do a few calculations in an effort to put my mind at rest, and maybe yours too.
I took a look at the following weapons:
Rhok'delar, Longbow of the Ancient Keepers DEP
Striker's Mark
Grand Marshal's Bullseye
Grand Marshal's Repeater
And did a DPS calculation on them with the use of 15% speed increase from the quiver (that most have) and the new Wicked arrow (+22 dps) yes that's DPS not damage per shot, check out the item please. There is a reason Bilzzard made it per second also…you smart people may be able to figure it out some day.
One note, the 15% shot speed is virtually unnoticeable.

To the numbers:

111-188(DPH) 38.8-64.8 (DPS) Rhok'delar, Longbow of the Ancient Keepers DEP
106-180(DPH) 42.5-72 (DPS) Striker's Mark
102-146(DPH) 56.6-79.4 (DPS) Grand Marshal's Bullseye
151-217(DPH) 52-74.8 (DPS) Grand Marshal's Repeater

These numbers are with out any gear and or agility multipliers. Now as you can see the numbers are fairly close, as they should be (they are all lvl 60 epics). Now the choice comes down to your play style. None is better than the other….they are just different.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

omg! how come i ain't a GM :( Me Waaant!

Commentaire de Allakhazam

There is nothing better...slower and faster are both good.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

After reading the posts, I'd like to correct a couple of misconceptions.

1) Special shots are normalized, so fast/slow doesn't matter.

- Wrong. In PvP, you want a slow bow to maximize the burst damage you do. Why? Because a slow bow will always deal more damage per shot to begin with. Just look at the damage range on the repeater compared to the bullseye.

2) sure you can say your firing my shot but im the one standing next to you firing 3 shots for every 1 you shoot and doing 2/3 the damage of what you are every shot which results in me pwning you

- I don't see where you're getting these stats from, but I assure you that unless the DPS on the fast bow is 33% more than the slow bow they'll both be doing exactly the same amount of damage (before mitigation and special attacks).

Like someone above said, the only difference between comparable fast and slow bows is the amount of ammunition you require to do the same amount of damage.

I will say this, however - fast bows are looking to be the weapons of choice for survival and beast-specced hunters, since a higher rate of fire equates to more chances of a crit or proc.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

i want.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Honestly your not going to crit as high w/ this bow, but it's better for pve. In a radi when the 5 rogues in your group are taking out mobs you don't want to only egt in 3-6 shots a mob. You want to be able to keep hitting and contribute more to the kill. Plus w/ this bow you won't aggro because the crts arn'thuge. So this bow is good for pve, slower weapons are better for pvp. And honestly, you may as well just get both xbow and bow and stop crying about which is better.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

With the talent Go For The Throat, a fast weapon and a Wind Serpent pet you get excellent synergy. My base attack speed is 1.19, with IAotH proc and Rapid Fire it goes to 0.74. Each time I crit, GftT procs and the pet hits the enemy for on average 225 points nature damage (best crit was 482 dmg so far) with Lightning Breath. I also use Black Grasp of the Destroyer which means 8 mana back each shot (between 7 and 11 mana per second) and drains enemy mana at the same rate.

If I swapped to a slower weapon that gave me say 3.0 base speed I'd save a lot of ammo, get bigger autoshot numbers and better mileage from Multishot. However, I'd lose out on number of procs with IAotH, GftT and the Black Grasp. Bottom line, it may once have been clear cut that slower was better but post-2.0 you can make a valid choice for either fast or slow with 39/12/0 being an awesome spec for the fast weapon users who don't mind high ammo consumption.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

This is purely from a PvE standpoint. A faster bow will expend ammunition faster then slower bows.

All three grand marshal weapons (bullseye, repeater and hand cannon) do pretty much the same dps. 55.9 for the gun and crossbow, 55.8 for the bullseye. All have the same stamina and attack power. Once you get decent blues, and even epics, your crit strike rate for the ranged weapon can easily get to 25% with out specifically hunting down crit rate gear, or at least a balance of crit and agility/attack power. Either way in PvE raids, I find I get pretty much the same dps from both slower and faster ranged weapons so as for what does more dps then the other, they both even out in PvE. I've not pulled agro with any of them due to good use of feign death and common sense.

So for PvE at least, what it really comes down to is money. As I said to begin with, faster weapons use more amunition. Over the same length of time in a raid, a fast bow will let you do the (roughly) same dps as a slow weapon but you use more arrows to do this. This means you are spending money on filling your quiver more often. And dipping into your bank funds more often. It may not be much each time but you'll save a fair bit of money up in time when using a slower weapon like the hand cannon. 2g 32s fills my 18 slot quiver with wicked arrows (or hi impact shells). So if your saving money up (like for a 5000g epic flying mount for your toon - or toonS), it can help a lot.

Plus with a 2.9 speed weapon my real speed (using a 15% quiver/ammo pouch) is about 2.5 speed. So it's not really that slow in itself. And I do see a lot of Imp AotHawk procs as a marksman too. Even my 8/8 Dragonstalker expose weakness proc seems to kick in reasonably often, though the chance is kinda low, it does happen more then I'd have thought. Plus its nice seeing high white crits.

Plus at 64 we get steady shot and it would be easier to weave a steady shot (1.5 sec cast time) between 2.5 sec autoshots then it would be with a 1.8 sec bow (since the quiver would make it even less time between autoshots to put your steady shot). Of course that's not here just yet, but it's only four weeks away so it's an arguement that can be made more and more as we get closer to the date.

But yea, I see both sides having pros and cons, but for me, my preference is for slower weapons. I won't tell you fast sucks. They both arrive at the same goal, just do it with different paths. I prefer the slower weapon path though.

(Note: I don't really do PvP much except with guild members for fun. I'm PvE who does PvP casually.)

Commentaire de Allakhazam

If u wanna do kid dmg buy this bow and try kill horde with it.

I buy Xbow cuz its slow and when nme is in the 1-7 dreaded yards he would have like 1% hp left becuz of my high crits. When u have chance to shoot him u must do HUGE dmg not a little kid dmg.

My main is 60 hunter and u who doesnt have hunter please stfu if u dont know anything about hunter class.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

svmsung are u ^&*!ing stupid? u cant shoot aimed & multishot any faster even if u fast have bow but with fast bow 1 hit doesnt do much dmg so aimed and multishot are nearly useless with that bow. u know a thing called cooldown? slower=better.
how would u like a 4k aimed shot crits? cant do that with fast bow. and what do u mean that fast weapons do more damage? no they dont
if u have 45 dps. it ads 45 DPS no matter what the speed is.
and what do u mean by hunters mark?

Commentaire de Allakhazam

sure... the reapeater has more MAX dmg, which leads to marvelous aimed and multi shots crits. yeah that's ok...
BUT if u miss the aimed shot? u certainly can't even imagine what will a bullseye do to u... if we do a clean fight (no talents ivolved) im shooting TWICE, that means 2 times, while u r channeling your aimed => u wont release it... however a multi shot can be missed too. and u shoot once every 2.9 seconds. my AS can compensate even 2 misses... but what r we doin if u miss twice: ur missing im killing...
but in other hand... u can kill me with 3 to 5 shots !

very sibjective guys and not so accurate... depends on crit chance, miss, player, style...

neither the bullsyey, nor the xbow and gun r better than the other too...

the only thing better than the other is the player...

GL on farming and all

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Fast bows are the best for us hunters, however warriors would want a slow bow, to make hte most of their "Shoot Bow" Option.

Setha - 46 Hunter - Scarshield Legion

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Your all missing 1 huge factor about this bow.

Its fast because ... its a PvP bow. Using a slow bow in a BG wont get you many if any hits in a lot of the time. The advantage of a quicker bow is that you can put a good amount of shots in before your target is within the dreaded 1-7 yard range.

This is a PvP bow from PvP'ing... Think that makes sense enough for its speed.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

i have this bow its tight! and i have the field marshal's chain spaulders!

Commentaire de Allakhazam

I think of all the GM ranged weapons, this looks the best. The gun is okay too but I don't like the crossbow at all.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

It was fun reading some posts here but you all are missing a key factor:
Your play style!
Personally i like to keep moving and kite in PvP, throw in some DoT stings then get a Multishot. In this case, a slower bow is better because it makes those Multis hit MUCH harder.
On the other hand, if you like to sit back and watch white numbers spam your screen then go for speed. More speed means more procs, like IAotH and CRITS, but you do have to sit in one spot to do it...
The same applies for pets, namely cats.
ALL cats have the same DPS so you wont be doing more or less with a slow cat opposed to a fast one. Go broken tooth for 1 second attack speed on casters, or a slower cat for a big hit out of prowl.
Look at forums between swords and axes, you'll see the same exact thing.
DPS is more important.
It depends on what you want to do, there is no best or worst.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

this is retarded.
i sampled using a crappy grey 1.80 gun that had horrible damage range stats that were like 30-60 with a 30somthing DPS. without any buffs or procs, just my natural ranged speed bonus the shots were 1.38. yes the damage range sucks, but with all the added attack power on my armor and enchants that i have, i mannaged to pull off shots that were around 125-150 ish.
thats on a GREY test weapon. with AofTH proc, it dropped down to about a shot a second, still going at that 140ish range.
now take the damage range of this bow, plus all your natural bonuses, and added attackpower bonus. then you add in the factor that about every 4th shot is a crit. thats throwing at bare minimum about 400 every 5 seconds. more like 700-1000 with crits.
then you can go deeper down the rabbit hole, and throw in pet focus regen for every crit you have, then your pets attack speed increase of 30%, and then rage which increase his attack speed even more after each crit.
you're dealing out sick ass damage.
add +haste to gloves enchant, then use your rapid fire,and then the juju flury chips you get in winterspring, and your shots are around .60
you get a concussion shot in from 40+ yards and use your machine gun while he slowly strolls towards you, and by the time he reaches you he's dead at your feet.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Everyone that is bringing up the "Slow ranged weapons = big crits" should read into what the normalization that Blizz put on ranged weapons a while back actually means to us hunters... which is:

A 1.80 speed bow (like Grand Marshal's Bullseye) is calculated as a 2.80 speed bow when damage is done through our ranged special attacks, such as Multi Shot, Aimed Shot and Arcane Shot.

A 3.20 speed Crossbow (like Blackcrow) is calculated as a 2.80 speed crossbow when damage is done through our ranged special attacks, such as Multi Shot, Aimed Shot and Arcane Shot.

So... all the bullsh*t about taking slower weapon to do bigger yellow damage (i.e. Aimed Shots) are just that, bullsh*t.

The only thing big they do, in comparison to faster ranged weapons, is white damage. So as many before me also mentioned, depends how you play. Do you like to see big numbers all the time or do you only like to see your yellow damage go big.

Edited, Dec 14th 2006 3:47am by nosceteipsum

Commentaire de Allakhazam

IS AMAZING! Looks sick as hell. atm I'm an MM hunter...wandering if I should do some pvp and get it. : /

Commentaire de Allakhazam

aight first of all if oyu think that speed sucks you dont know what your talking about and if you cant do insane damage with this bow then you should stop being a hunter or get some better gear. here are some stats for you...sure you can say your firing my shot but im the one standing next to you firing 3 shots for every 1 you shoot and doing 2/3 the damage of what you are every shot which results in me pwning you

with a 1.80 sec attack speed which calculating that up with a 15% attack speed quiver. reduces that speed to 1.53 add that with rapid fire which i believe is 40% that is now at
.918 attack speed... uhmmm thats a sick bow period

even with out rapid fire it does fine

give me this bow i would out DPS a lot of people by mass amounts (considering you dont have a select few other bows in the game)

Commentaire de Allakhazam

the fieldmarshal ranged weaps must be THE coolest
weaps so far.

this have blue and yellow shields on it
one that is round at your lower arm
two that is rectangular that blizz put on the bow itself

Commentaire de Allakhazam

I think the speed sucks.. you can't have high Aimed Shot crits with this, thought I am not sure with the speed normalizing a.k.a. %^&*!@# NERF patch...
Still I'd rather buy the gun/xbow

Commentaire de Allakhazam

but surly with the new shot that redirects threat you can use the crossbow with ease and not have to worry about gainin aggro

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Slower is way better for hunters it gives you more dmg on your aimed shot and multi shot.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

As of today for the americans and tomorrow for us europeans, this is a great BM bow. Serpents swiftness and 15% quiver gives you permanent attack speed of 1.22. However, with those shot timings you are also looking at having IAotH on permanently, so your actual attack speed is closer to 1.04.

Throw on rapid fire whenever it's off CD and you can knock that down to 0.6 every 3 mins (with rapid killing). SO, at 70, pop RF, turn big and red, pwn all and sundry for 18 seconds.

See how casters like that in PVP!

Also, given that ammo bonuses and scope bonuses are applied per shot, not as DPS, the value of good ammo and a good scope is hugely increased with this. Just hope they bring out a bow with a similar speed and a good ranged on hit chance proc now, would be superb.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

The general consensus seem to be, take the repeater if PVP is what you mostly do, take the bullseye if you raid. The big crits of the repeater(which you want in pvp) draws aggro easier in raids, and guilds aren't big on hunters getting aggro every 10 seconds.

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