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Commentaire de Dread

Both swords drop off of Warchief Rend Blackhand in UBRS, a 10-man instance. They are great swords if you don't raid or if you are gearing up for raiding, and the set bonus rocks.

Commentaire de James

This is reminiscent of the Bul'Kathos Tribal Guardian and Sacred Charge from Diablo II: LoD. I wonder how they pick the pre-names...

Commentaire de Thottbot

Im 60 warior on ER this is one awesome set, specialy with valor or any other peaces that give plus to hit and crit....

Commentaire de Thottbot

Basically in the next update there will be a +15 agi enchante on 1h weapons... this set pwned other two you listed~ ^_^

Commentaire de Thottbot

hunters can use this now cause of the new +15 Agi enchants, makes it great for hunters. I'm a rogue and I would let a hunter roll for these if they wanted them / had part of the set already. The +10 defence and 100 armor isn't bad either... good end game weapon set for lots of rogues and hunters who don't do MC.

Commentaire de Thottbot

Im not sure but i thought that rouges had to have a dagger equipped to use certain abilities. I have seen hunts on Dethecus with this set its not that bad for them.

Commentaire de Thottbot

The only time rogues roll on ranged weapons is IF the hunters in the group do not need it, instead of being greeded so that a mage might get it, someone like a rogue or warrior that could use it for pulling and stats could get it. Same thing with Dal rends, if a rogue or warrior in the party doesn't need it (doubtable) then you can roll on it, otherwise, go home.

Commentaire de Thottbot

man all you all do is complain. alot of weapon sets are geared for everyone. granted some could use more than others but thats why blizzard incorporated the dice. just gotta have some good rolls on dice. im a 60 warrior and i rolled for it last night and won. much better than the one i was using. now if i could just get quel'sarrar.

Commentaire de Thottbot

I see in a ton of posts, here and elsewhere, a real mentality of 'This should only go to my class! It's best for us!'.

News flash, this, and other things, are good for many people. Is it great for rogues? Yes! Is it great for warriors? Yes! Is it great for hunters? Yes!

The truth is that with the +15 enchants, these are hands-down the BEST melee weapons in the game for hunters.

It's also great for rogues! And warriors! So... They should all roll, whoever wins, wins. Stop #$%^&ing because you want it and feel entitled.

Commentaire de Thottbot

I agree with that too. And I've also seen MC dmgreports that were topped by hunters...
I am a hunter myself, I usually end up in 10th place when in MC (Don't have �berequip) but the 2nd place is held by another hunter most of the time.

And to you who say that this is not meant to be a hunter set, tell me, why do both hunters and rogues start with this set as standard on the test servers?
And to you who say that hunters don't need armour and defence because we aren't supposed to get hit, I ask you: Are rogues supposed to get hit? Both have skills that reduce aggro. Hunters have Mail and rogues have Leather...

I get sick of the people that are complaining about hunters stealing rogueweapons. But I will not throw useless comments about you personally like others do.

I would just like to tease you and say that my hunter has Core Hound Tooth in main-hand, and my guild is fine with it.

Commentaire de Thottbot

This set is good for warriors/hunters/rogues. Rogues prolly would have the top priority on this set but that doesn't mean that it isnt a hunter/warrior set also. I agree with the fact the main hand is 2.80 so it wouldn't be as good for a rogue. Rogues should prolly drop that main hand and go for a fast dagger. I don't see that many dual wielding warriors on my realm but that doesn't mean this ins't much less theirs as it is a rogues. Stop saying that hunters only range because half the time I see a hunter right up next to the tank not back with the casters. You would be surprised how many hunters just use their bow for pulling. What really makes it a good set for hunters is the fact that you can get the 2 +15 agil which has already been mentioned and that outweighs the fact that you lose %1 crit if you dual wield that other set mentioned in ealier posts. The priority in my eyes should be rogue->hunter/warrior. Still I would tell hunters to roll for this set.

Commentaire de Thottbot

Alright, these are nice for hunters in that they are a good two hand set. We don't use peacemaker and the whatever the hell the other one was because it's 1. Two Handed 2. SLOW AS !@#$.

You want your hunters to LIVE in an instance, give us something we can work with, or my huge DPS won't be helping any more. Most hunters have the highest DPS in their groups which means sometimes they pull mobs.
So do your friendly local hunters a favor and let them get some weapons that are actually useful.

-Vegetable
Cenarius

Commentaire de Thottbot

Assuming that every weapon shown has a +15 agility enchanted to it... let's take a little look. This is assuming a +13% haste quiver. We will go withOUT any talents as well. Using 100 base DPS just to make things easy. Here's the webpage: http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/

Dual Dawn's Edges
Your actual DPS would be: 107.54
+1.13% chance to dodge
+60 Armor
+0 Health Points
+2.56% Chance to Crit
Total Attack Power bonus: +60
Actual Agility bonus: 30 x 1 = 30
6.19 Agility will increase your DPS by 1

Ice Barbed Spear
Your actual DPS would be: 106.53
+1.35% chance to dodge
+72 Armor
+200 Health Points
+0.67% Chance to Crit
Total Attack Power bonus: +72
Actual Agility bonus: 36 x 1 = 36
6.19 Agility will increase your DPS by 1

Dual Bone Slicing Hatchets
Your actual DPS would be: 108.35
+1.73% chance to dodge
+92 Armor
+100 Health Points
+0.86% Chance to Crit
Total Attack Power bonus: +92
Actual Agility bonus: 46 x 1 = 46
6.19 Agility will increase your DPS by 1

Barbous Blade
Your actual DPS would be: 108.64
+0.56% chance to dodge
+30 Armor
+0 Health Points
+1.28% Chance to Crit
Total Attack Power bonus: +90
Actual Agility bonus: 15 x 1 = 15
6.19 Agility will increase your DPS by 1

Del Rends
Your actual DPS would be: 110.58
+1.13% chance to dodge
+60 Armor
+0 Health Points
+1.56% Chance to Crit
Total Attack Power bonus: +110
Actual Agility bonus: 30 x 1 = 30
6.19 Agility will increase your DPS by 1

And just for amusement factor. Let's look at dual Bone Slicing Hatchets with BOTH 5 points in Survivalist and Lightning Reflexes.

Your actual DPS would be: 111.73
+2.43% chance to dodge
+128.79 Armor
+110 Health Points
+1.21% Chance to Crit
Total Attack Power bonus: +128.79
Actual Agility bonus: 56 x 1.15 = 64.39
6.19 Agility will increase your DPS by 1

Here we have a weapon combo that beats Del Rends... oh wait, let's look at Del Rends with the same talent points...

Your actual DPS would be: 111.42
+1.3% chance to dodge
+69 Armor
+0 Health Points
+1.65% Chance to Crit
Total Attack Power bonus: +119
Actual Agility bonus: 30 x 1.15 = 34.5
6.19 Agility will increase your DPS by 1

Del Rends LOSES in DPS and health points. Except look at the chance to crit. Those of us who are all about crit will go for Dawn's Edges. For those of us who like a nice balance of DPS and crit, Del Rends seems to be the way to go.

Also, if you happen to have Counterattack, The off-hand of Rend provides a .17% increase to chance to crit.

Hunters will hold onto Dal Rends a lot longer than rigues would, also dagger spec.
In short, hunters have just as much to gain as rogues to in getting Del Rends

Commentaire de Thottbot

Dont know if anyone ever mentioned it, but in D2 also a blizzard game you have set of 2 swords, bul'khatos children, the one sword is called bul'khatos sacred charge, and the other bul'kathos tribal guardian^^
if you dont believe me go check it out:
http://www.diabloii.net/items/item_sets/x_bul-kathos.shtml
Have fun:)

Commentaire de Thottbot

According to Blizzard the dual wielding penalty is that your miss rate will go up to 24% on both weapons, and the offhand weapon will do half its normal damage. Since the normal miss rate is 5% this amounts to a 19% miss rate penalty, so the combined dps can be caluclated with the formula:

0.81*(main dps+0.5*offhand dps)

In this case that works out to:

0.81*(41.4+0.5*41.4)=50.3010

So dual wielding this set is the same as having a 50.3dps 2hand weapon (not counting any of the other stats).

Commentaire de Thottbot

This is for Rogue/warrior and then Hunters...
The reason is Rogues / warriors need for stats and speed, dps etc...

Hunters only need stats...so it's
Rogue/Warrior>hunter.

this is just my meaning, so plz don't go nuts^^

Commentaire de Thottbot

could someone show a picture? thanks

Commentaire de Thottbot

this is easly a rogue set

Commentaire de Thottbot

I don't understand it. I'm a hunter, yes. But why can't you guys just agree that it's both? No offense but some of you are missing the point that 50 attack power (which broken down is 12.5 agi on each without crit) is a lot. And it goes to range, not just melee. And the its obvious why a rogue needs it. Warriors can also for the nice defense and slow attack. I mean, I'm sure Blizzard didn't make every single weapon with a specific class in mind.

Commentaire de Thottbot

wow you guys argue alot, honestly coming from a fury warrior who's seen just about any class who can use swords use these, they're best in the hands of a rogue, then a fury warrior, then a hunter, seeing as how hunters just jump around and shoot you, but honestly i'd rather not see hunters roll on these, but hey what do i care? i've got my set.

Commentaire de Thottbot

First time to UBRS with my rogue and they BOTH dropped (Didnt even know this was possilble). :0 I rolled a 43 on the main hand and a 90 on the off. Won them both. It felt like Christmas morning... :)

Commentaire de Thottbot

As a wow player, I dont really um like u guys to argue over some beating stix, <3...

I have 60mage, 60warlock and 60priest, im not into swords but whichever caster i play in raids and instance....

Fact: I see warriors and rogues wacking...

Warrior....Rogue...Wacking.... Where the @#$% is the hunter? WTF?

Druid: Oh, he is back there sniping...
Me: Oh... sniping huh... why didn't he go into the
group and start beating on the boss?
Druid: No clue, guess cuz he does more damage w/ the
ranged weapon?
Me: oh... why did he make our guildie cry in UBRS rolling on those 2 swords then if he isnt gonna use it in raid?
Druid: he said he was gonna use it... he is survival spec i think... and he is suppose to melee alot...
Me: and where would that be that the hunter would be MELEEing someone?
Druid: um, i donno... pvp i guess since he doesnt wanna get close and take damage in raids and cost himself some money on the repair bills....
Me: hmm, pvp huh...

Days later (i dont remember how many days later ok guys... i just decided to go into AV for fun =))

Hunter... runnings by my mage... WooT he doesnt know my mage apparently since i heal in raids.

Wt... dalrends, COOL SWORDS!
Hunter: yay got it from rend a few days ago... i got a good roll on it...
Me: really? sweet, i heard something bad bout what happened... The rogue wanted it and u said u will get more benefit from using it since u are survival...
Hunter: yeah, i rolled on it and won and i like it...

Minutes later...

*squeek*.... PSH PSH

Holy shmolay! **** has been slain by Hunter

Hunter begins casting aimshot.
Hunter aimshot crit **** for #### damage.
Hunter multishot hit **** for ### damage.
Hunter serp sting .... WAIT A SEC...

ALL HE DOES IS SHOOT FROM RANGE IN PVP ALSO?

Oh no he is getting hit by some1... UD rogue (wahahah) cheapshot Hunter... bla bla bla... Me sheep... Hunter turn around... FD... drop trap.... Run.....

Hunter begin casting Aimshot...

BULL*!@# he got me as backup and all he does is run and shoot even more!

Told his bro to get on his acct, reset his ctmod on the damage analysis... 3days of him pvping and raiding... lets look at the analysis..

Aimshot did 7digit damage.
Multishot... same thing
all the stings been fired alot...

lets check out the melee...

Raptor strike.... 5digit?
Mongoose bite.... 3digit?

Days after... so hunter... whats up? Not much... lets own golemagg... yeah... why did u pick the sword anyway?
Hunter: it got crit and i melee with it anyway...
Me: ooo cool (im as a priest now)

GOLEMAGG DOWN! DAMAGE METER.... Hunter (3rd)...

Druid: yea he always get top 5 with his Silithid gun... no fair...
Me: why? cuz he beat ur buddy in the roll for the swords?
Druid: yep.. =(
Me: <3

STAFF OF DOMINANCE, FELHEART ROBE, BLASTERSHOT LAUNCHER DROPPED

Hunter: YAY!
Rogue: why u so happy?
Hunter: cuz i really want that gun and i get to roll on it with mah dkp ive been saving up...
Rogue: i want it too...
Hunter: WTF? u dont need it as much as i do!
Rogue: i want it for the same reason u want dalrend... the 1% crit u want sooooo bad....

GUILDIES:....silence....

Hunter: Fine, w/e roll on it then...
Hunter bid 280dkp roll a 42.... Rogue bid 300dkp roll a 23....

Guildies: silence.... 5sec later.... BY 1 POINT goes to rogue...

Hunter: WTF BULL$%^&! HE DOESNT NEED IT AS MUCH! I SHOOT LIKE 80% OF THE TIME I NEED THAT GUN SO I CAN DO MORE DPS IN RAIDS!

ME as officer: /gkick Hunter

msg hunter: kiss your ass goodbye, as long with all ur f'ing dkp u jerk.

WTF I DO? hunter goes...

YOU SAID: I SHOOT 80% OF THE TIME!

Guild RUlE.. allow no ninjas in the guild and most importantly, no dishonest + LOOT!@#$%S!

Hunter: I DIDNT NINJA!
Me: Why did u take dalrend?
Hunter: they both dropped i needed them.
Me: as much as a rogue would who melee 99% of their life time?
Hunter: silence.... gave me excuses for the next 2hrs...

me: love you too baby hunter but u can eat my skirts /ignore

/g Guys, everyone type /ignore hunter and i will give you guys 5dkp and the rogue will get 10dkp.

Happy rogue =) yes yes...

few days later... hunter in BG...

warrior came up to him... Hunter wingclip, fd and trap.... bla bla... aimshot multishot bla bla bla...

Rogue: ambush, backstab, gouge.... backstab....
Hunter: wingclip... was dodged....
Rogue: Eviscerate....
Hunter: kiss goodnight

Druid and I beating on this Undead mage...

We: still dont understand why he would loot the swords if all he does is wingclip...

Me: yea i know, my 58yr old grandma is currently playing a hunter and she can wingclip better than him with a f'ing worn dagger...

I hope yall enjoy this true story from Thunderlord.

By: Tiramisu 60Female Human Mage

Commentaire de Thottbot

BOTTOM LINE: I have never known a Hunter who was worth his salt that couldn't get away from melee combat and use a ranged, and didn't use a polearm for melee if they couldn't. I have never seen a rogue who was really worth a s#@t with a sword. Period. Leave the sword use to the warriors. They get more/better use outta them & will appreciate your pass & surely will be willing to help you out more in the future because of it. There are ALWAYS those pain-in-the-ass people out there who are gonna roll for these weapons, but remember, that's just what you are when you do. Same opinion goes for the other set swords you probably heard of from the guy in Tanaris and drop in ZG.

Commentaire de Spect99

Get those beauties in exactly 40 runs according to DBM. 12nd run - OH/ 40th - MH

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