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ClassicLFG and “The Spirit of Classic World of Warcraft”

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Commentaire de Moorea I am a lot more concerned about Blizzard breaking APIs to try to prevent LFG and having a bunch of unrelated addons affected (and a lot more work for addon devs to play catch up)

Why don't they just ask you and curseforge and other addon hosting sites to not host that kind of addon and call it a day?

There were announcements months ago that LFG type wouldn't be allowed, so it's a bit odd you are surprised and invested the time anyway (sorry about that part, but TBH, more sorry that because you did it anyway, it may affect my and other's addons (like RP addons)) Commentaire de Hathos A well written article. There is likely to be some friction at first with the culture shock that many new to Classic, developers included, will experience. That said, it appears that Blizzard is committed to preserving the Classic experience, so hopefully most issues are addressed and fade into the past. Commentaire de Drahken You can't have your cake and eat it too. This is what you wanted. You can't pick and choose which bits of inconvenience you get. If you want WoW as it was in vanilla, then you have to take it as it was in vanilla, warts and all. Commentaire de Seleri I'm mostly concerned about what they'll break as an unintended consequence, Blizzard is notorious for going from one extreme to the other after all.

I didn't plan on using the LFG addon but I'm seeing friends say RP addons will be broken. Considering the base UI gives you so little when it comes to RP, RP addons are a great way to become even more immersed.

There were announcements months ago that LFG type wouldn't be allowed, so it's a bit odd you are surprised and invested the time anyway (sorry about that part, but TBH, more sorry that because you did it anyway, it may affect my and other's addons (like RP addons))

No there weren't. There were vague statements at Blizzcon and then yesterday's Classicast made it sound like addons would be fine as long as they don't play the game for you.

Again, I couldn't care less about the LFG addon, just don't go blaming addon developers if Blizzard goes buckwild and ends up breaking more than just ClassicLFG. Commentaire de Metalchic Removed

The comparison to questie is particularly egregious because it is exactly analogous to classiclfg. The addon will not move you to the dungeon, the addon will not run the dungeon for you. The addon does not form a group for you you still have to form a group unless you want a group that fails instantly. And most importantly the addon does not do the most egregious thing that the lfd has done to destroy the social aspect of the game: protect people being $%^&*!@s. Commentaire de Hathos I am a lot more concerned about Blizzard breaking APIs to try to prevent LFG and having a bunch of unrelated addons affected (and a lot more work for addon devs to play catch up)

Why don't they just ask you and curseforge and other addon hosting sites to not host that kind of addon and call it a day?

There were announcements months ago that LFG type wouldn't be allowed, so it's a bit odd you are surprised and invested the time anyway (sorry about that part, but TBH, more sorry that because you did it anyway, it may affect my and other's addons (like RP addons))

At the end of the day, an addon is just a couple of files that you copy and paste into your addons folder. There is no authentication process or keys, so Blizzard only has the options of stopping all distribution or changing the API. The issue with attempting to stop all distribution is that Blizzard would have to go to 3rd party websites and get them to take down the links, and even then, it won't stop the players who already have the addon from using it, or more players getting it via forums, discord, or other direct means. Commentaire de fatgunn I can't wait to see what this snowballs into. The back and forth outrage that's gonna come up if this breaks ANYTHING else will be hilarious. Blizz is gonna be playing whack-a-mole with their own "fixes" for months. Commentaire de Nergul 13,000 people downloaded it.... a couple hundred starting reeing on twitter... and this is how blizzard responded. Love or hate the addon that is what I would be far more concerned about. Commentaire de Thunderfunk Problem is a lot of addon authors reached out to Blizzard to get a definite answer on what was and wasn't allowed and got no response. Blizzard absolutely needs to talk to addon devs and outline things clearly, it'd head things off at the pass and save a lot of people a lot of time and effort in turn. Commentaire de Shadowlyger You can't have your cake and eat it too. This is what you wanted. You can't pick and choose which bits of inconvenience you get. If you want WoW as it was in vanilla, then you have to take it as it was in vanilla, warts and all.\r
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These kinds of addons existed in vanilla wow. Why should they be banned now? Commentaire de Seleri I don't think it's too much to ask that Blizzard clarifies what they'll be breaking in the LFG addon soon. So other addon creators can make sure their addons won't get smashed too.\r
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I suspect it will just be the auto-invite and maybe reading talents, so hopefully my much loved RP addons will survive the purge. Commentaire de Flipityflu All this is going to add is add power to the complainers. first the LFG addon, next the quest addons. why not DBM and healbot as well. \r
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It will make the Blizzard forum even worse than it already is, with thread after thread of 'X should be banned now'.\r
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This action has let out the air of my excitement for this release, and I wouldn't even use the addon in question. Now I just fear what is next on the list. Commentaire de fiffer13 I would like to mention. Playing dps back during bc and wrath, sucked if your playtime shifted and you couldn't do group content with your friends. I spent hours literal hours at a time trying to get a group together to do a simple dungeon. \r
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I never asked for classic, nor classicLFG, but if I can't get a group after spamming chat for 10min I will go play another game. It isn't the early 2000s anymore, I have tons of other online games to go to. An addon to alleviate that would have made me stick around since I had something to fall back on, heck without cross realm groups is it really even close to the lfg system in live? I don't think so. Commentaire de Nurmat Come on Blizzard, just disable all addons. No DBM, no Questie, no Weakauras Commentaire de Myzou Removed

As for the parts that Rokman got wrong, as to why this article "crossed the line":

The add-on scanned any chat you were currently active in and organized any "LF" "LFG" and "LFM" and simply placed them in an organized UI. It also allowed you to "create" a group in said UI and broadcast that group in the chat. It didn't actually create anything though. All it did was create a simple pre-made chat line for you. No different than if you typed "LF4M for UBRS" - Instead, it typed "LF4M for UBRS - Tank, Healer, 2 DPS" for you (or whatever the dialogue was).

It simplified the process. Everything was still involved in the chat box. It filtered the chat for people. EVERYTHING WAS STILL DONE MANUALLY IN THE CHAT. The only thing that changed was instead of having to wade through "WTS," "WTB," and general chatting going on in General, Trade, etc. channels, you could see all of the people looking for group in a simple and clean UI.

Because of the lack of an armory, long range inspect, etc. there's no way to judge anyone's talents, etc. so you could literally just see their level and class too, which you can see from \/whoing them just like normal. You still have to whisper them, just as if you saw them in chat.

Everything was still exactly the same. Literally the ONLY thing this add-on did was provide a chat filter for people looking for groups, and allowed people to see all the people looking for groups in a UI, rather than having to wade through WTB, WTS, etc. posts to find all the groups looking, all the people looking, etc.

It's VERY much in the spirit of wow, and very much in the spirit of classic. I was in Vanilla. I am not fond of the days of sitting in Ironforge waiting for a group to not have "NO HUNTERS" in their LFM UBRS run, or having to scroll up because 4-5 groups all shouted at the same time and scrolled someone off the chatbox.

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I have no intention of playing classic myself, I had enough torture playing actual Vanilla. But this change actually really bothers me because a lot of my friends will play Classic, and this add-on actually affected no one negatively, but people like Rokman actually got it banned because they think it did something it didn't actually do. It was literally just a chat filter.

Then wowhead lets a news article go up to spread the misinformation even further, which just aggravates me even more. As you can see from the tweet Rokman posted, WeakAuras clarified that the addon will still exist, because again, they are well aware that Blizzard can't break the addon completely, because it's literally *just a chat filter*. They'd have to break the entire chat log to break it, they can break the use of a custom UI, but that's about it. Commentaire de mbryanmahalo I support breaking the add on for 1 additional reason, to cut down on rage quitting. One of the biggest bummers of retail is groups treating members like they are all disposable. \r
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we have all been there,stepped on a mechanic once kicked, your group wipes once rage quit, don't like someone's DPS kick and so on. LFG,LFR and so forth makes it all to easy to fill a open spot, so easy in fact, if you don't have the unicorn group of your desires kick them all and start over. \r
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On the other hand if you have to work long and hard to form a group, you might think twice about throwing away that one player, or rage quitting that group that just wiped. yes it will be harder to form groups but that means you should work harder to keep that group together, god forbid you might even learn to "gasp" help them. Commentaire de jsw31 I'm still waiting for someone to articulate how spamming chat channels or \/who the whole server and spam whispering every class you're looking for is some great social interaction. To me, the social interaction occurs after the group is formed and I choose who gets added to friends after the run. And I will still ask those friends first for my next group. I just don't understand the outrage, especially from the people who will NEVER need to seek out players from outside their 1000 member streamer guilds. Commentaire de leobolin I'm so tired of all the retail hate here on Wowhead. Commentaire de Cheeseit Group automation is not acceptable to the vast number of players wanting to play Classic WoW. Breaking this add-on is a good thing.\r
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To those critical of the decision you have a few things wrong or have misunderstood the situation...\r
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While there were a couple of add-ons for group creation late in the original game, they were very basic and did not automate group creation.\r
Stopping this add-on does not equate to banning all add-ons, indeed add-on use was common in WoW even during 2004-2006. Many of those features eventually became integrated into the regular game UI in later expansions.\r
Modern WoW's API (the bit that allows add-on developers to make add-ons work in the game) is way more advanced than it was between 2004-2006. The modern API is what new Classic WoW runs on meaning it is possible to make incredibly powerful add-ons that would not have been possible in 2004-2006. Therefore it is sensible to limit add-ons which overstep the mark.\r
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A significant part of the appeal to players like myself who played the Original WoW back in the day was, and will be, the server community and grouping. This is how we made life long friends in game. Cross-Realm, Group Finder and LFG Raids all contributed to eroding server community. Push-button automation replaced talking to people.\r
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In Retail WoW you are no longer that helpful Tank on many players friends lists who had great shared experiences. Now you are often just the role you select in a group finder window, no-one wants to wait, no-one cares who you are and frequently dungeon runs are conducted in near total silence except for abuse and kicks for the slightest perceived transgression.\r
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That is why this add-on needed to be broken. Community and friendship is a good thing. WoW will always be better with friends. For players who never played WoW as it was back in the day, get ready for the greatest game experience you will probably ever have.*\r
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*after you endure the login queues of course :) Commentaire de ElectricBlood Who cares about some shady addon developers? They perfectly knew they were developing an addon that would be very controversial and possibly even become mandatory for every classic player and ruin their classic experience. Good Blizz decided to put an end to their shenanigans.

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