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Commentaire de Sebas

I don't have the ability to test this skill myself, but I'm pretty sure it will be a huge help to Envenom and Mutilate users...only 20 energy is also very convenient!

Commentaire de 318

Actually, the energy used is entirely dependent on the speed of the offhand.

20+(10*weapon speed) = Energy consumption

So, with a 1.8 speed offhand:

20+(10*1.8)= 38 energy

Commentaire de darkarsenic

Why use deadly poison and shiv for envenom? lets say that it takes 3 shivs to get 5 deadly poison on the target (the other 2 by melee hits). Max rank of deadly poison does 180 an app, and it'll take 3 seconds to do 45 damage. Let's say it takes 5 seconds to get all 5 charges on the target, so it can do about 200 dmg? And with envenom it'll do 900 damage. Now 3 shivs with instant poison thats 146-194. That's about 450 damage minimum, and you can still rupture or eviserate. If we make the procs the same (5 charges) thats 750 damage, not including whatever else you want to do. The thing about envenom is that it clears all the deadly poison, and it doesn't have time to do its full duration (unless you somehow get 5 charges within a fraction of a second), and using instant poison (or wounding) makes it so you have more control.

Commentaire de 23617

This move is much more useful than most people realize.

Every rogue can use Shiv for utility. You have the option to instantly apply the poison of your chioice instead of having to wait for it to proc from auto-attacks. A nice option to have when necessary. But, it goes beyond that...

Think about a Hemmorage spec. Beginning rogues look at Hemo, and they see the "increased physical damage" part... without realizing that the real power of Hemo is that it is an instant attack, costs only 35 energy, and gives a combo point. You spec Hemo, and it becomes your main attack.

Now there's a new spec going around-- Shiv Swords.

I met a fellow rogue the other day who was dual-wielding Revengers:
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=28311

I asked him about the proc rate, and he said it was not great, but decent, like a Crusader proc. Then he went on to tell me about his spec-- he had Instant Poison on both, and he was using Shiv as his main attack! Revenger has a speed of 1.5, so Shiv costs only 35 energy, adds a combo point, and deals physical damage as well as the poison damage which is unmitigated by armor.

Here's an example of a Shiv spec:
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent=fhxboyZGMEz0Vzx0Got

This spec has the fast combo point generation of a Hemo spec, as well as a large amount of unmitigated damage from your poisons. With Combat Potency, every Shiv has a 20% chance to restore 15 energy. Over time (like on a boss fight) that's an average of 3 energy returned per Shiv, so in a way you could say it's only costing you 32 energy. That makes a HUGE difference.

There are 2 disadvantages to this spec. The first and most important is that it is HIGHLY dependant on itemization. Just like Hemo requires a really slow weapon to be viable, Shiv requires a really fast one. If you don't have a 1.5 speed or faster sword, fist, or mace to put in your off-hand, it's generally not worth it. (Why not a dagger? Remember that daggers are normalized so that all instant attacks with them count as if they were 1.7 speed, and all other one-handers are normalized at 2.4 speed.) The other disadvantage is poison immune mobs. Elementals (not plants, but the earth/air/fire/water ones) are often immune to poison, and that takes away a good chunk of your damage. You can Sinister Strike your way through these fights and still be okay.

ADVANTAGES:
High CP generation
Ridiculous energy regen
Unmitigated poison damage

DISADVANTAGES:
Highly dependant on itemization
DPS drops significantly on poison-immune mobs
Must always have poisons on hand and apply them often

Try it out, you just might like it. ^_^

Commentaire de darrius

I don't know what you guys are doing but shiv can do extreme damage. Instead of spamming SS or hemo then using eviscerate or garrote as a finishing move, try spamming shiv and envenom as a finishing move. Apply deadly poison to ur offhand and get 5 stacks on the target, then use envenom w/ 5 CP. i get up to 6-700 with shiv and up to 2800 with envenom.

Against tank like NPCs that is more than a rogue will ever get. Against casters it is not as useful as the NPC is usually dead by the time u have stacked 5 poisons. for bosses it much for energy efficient and keeps damage constant rather than have 3-4 secs down time when u are low on energy since even if u cant envenom ur poisons are still affecting the target.

The only problem arises when targets resist :)

Commentaire de alkazor

Shiv is great, but relying for it completely isnt the greatest idea. I've tried it as main source of attack and it works great on high armor targets, but on clothies hemo/ss/bs/mute are far better dps.

Shiv on plate, hemo/ss/bs/mute on low armor.

Commentaire de 28768

Isn't this a great way to get poisons applied on a target, so you can get the +50% damage bonus from mutilate?

Commentaire de Siba

The bug with Shiv makes shamans QQ. Makes the poison immune to cleansing/removal/abolish.

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Kriss

Energie : 20	Allonge

Instantanée

Exécute une attaque instantanée de la main gauche qui administre automatiquement le poison de votre arme en main gauche à la cible. Les armes plus lentes nécessitent plus d'Énergie. Ni le Kriss ni le poison qu'il administre ne peuvent être critiques. Vous gagnez 1 point de combo.

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n/d

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Physique

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Type de dissipation

n/d

Catégorie GCD

Standard

Coût

Energie : 20

Portée

5 mètres (Combat)

Incantation

Instantanée

Recharge

n/d

GCD

1 seconde

Effet

Dummy
Valeur : 1
Multiplicateur JcJ : 1
Script du côté serveur

Marqueurs

Est une technique
Ne peut être utilisé en changeforme
Ne pas journaliser le rengainage
Ne peut être esquivé, paré ou bloqué
Décompte la puissance quand raté
Démarre le combat après le lancement (active l'attaque auto)
Ne peut être critique
Supprimer les déclenchements du lanceur
N'engage pas la cible
Ne peut rater
Requiert une arme en main gauche
Pas de journalisation de lancement
Échelonnement du coût de vitesse de l'arme

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