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Commentaire de 48964

Start with one of these, and queue up a Heroic Strike and lay down a sunder-armor or Revenge if it's up, and you'll be good to go until your rage gets back up.

Commentaire de 62199

If you're a protection warrior, I sure hope you bought this. A fair amount of rage to use, but when you're tanking several mobs (or one big one) you're generating a lot of rage anyway. Once you've slapped on a <rend>, spammed 5 <sunder armor>s and are waiting for <revenge> to cool down, <shield slam> will give you the chance to significantly increase your damage output and might enough debuff that baddy to boot. Will even pop a priest bubble, so if you can get it off in PvP, you can laugh as your foe wonders where their shield just went.

Commentaire de 51773

Fun fact: This is considered a main hand instant attack. It uses the weapon skill of your main hand weapon. If you throw in a weapon that you have very low skill with (a dagger for instance) and attack a high level mob your shield slams will fail to land most of the time. Also, I bet this makes things that increase weapon skill such as Mallet of the Tides help your shield bashes!

Additional note: I have had "chance on hit" on my main-hand proc off of this.

Commentaire de Bojo

Damage is modified by block value. But how much block value equals for example 10 extra damage with shield slam? Also, does the talent "shield mastery" add extra damage as well? And are there any other attributes that adds damage? Please let me know by listing the damage-adding sources below.

Commentaire de Garby

Patch 2.3 sets this ability to a 100% chance to dispel magic effects.

Commentaire de 126679

does it dispels all kind of buffs and effects?

Commentaire de 33684

Just a fun fact: The current highest possible shield block value a character can have is 1184 (and that's boostable by 435 additional BV using trinkets).
That includes the trinket from Naxx, gear from Sunwell, and everything in between. Also includes the new meta gem.

Obviously that's just a gimmick number, a tank would have to sacrifice an unacceptable amount of other tanking stats to achieve that number. I would place a BT/Sunwell progressed tank at maybe 750-900 BV as an acceptable number.

Commentaire de AoBman05

This ability is going to become a baseline skill in WotLK to help non-prot warriors out when tanking. This along with defiance being baseline would make tanking less tedious in general for all warriors.

Too bad neither this or the Death Knights will be solving any tank 'shortages'; that's a problem with the game community itself, not the tanking classes.

Commentaire de 175232

I used this on Curator during an evocation phase, critted for 2.2k. Not yet geared at all, and i was OT. For the next 3 minutes the pally MT kept yelling at me to stop taunting, etc. I took my hands off the keyboard and the pally couldn't pull off me. talk about huge threat.

Itsnotmyfult, Eonar

Commentaire de 153789

In wotlk, this is no longer a talent and all warriors can train it.
PvP warriors could dispel magic effects with it such as blessing of freedom or innervate.

Commentaire de snags

Also, Bostung raised an interesting point in the comments section of Shield Block:

If it functions like other block value modifying talents and abilities, (and comparing spell effects, I suspect it does) the doubling of block value will increase Shield Slam's damage as long as you Shield Slam before the charge is lost. Since Shield Block is not on the GCD, you should be able to create a macro to activate Shield Block and use Shield Slam at the same time.

I'm not in the beta, though, so I can't test this out.

I thought I'd repost this here, in case any of you non-prot types are having fun in Beta playing around with this new skill. =)

Anyone know if the Shield Block buff increases Shield Slam damage (if done before the charge is removed)? And if so, does it increase it enough to justify the additional 10 rage spent?

EDIT: Someone on this site seems to think it does:
http://wotlkwiki.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2519

Commentaire de makron

If it is does not require talent anymore, does it share cooldown with Mortal Strike?

Commentaire de 208855

1) There are no more crushing blows. This means that warriors without 490 defense won't get their asses completely handed to them by boss mobs.

Those are two completely separate tanking issues. Please know your facts before you confuse the already easily confused public.
490 Defense means you are uncrittable to a level 73 mob. You can still get crushed. Being crushed means you have enough avoidance and block to push crushing blows off the table(something around 105% or so).
The defense number will also change at level 80 obviously, since our base defense will be 400 at that point.

But yes, the str to block ratio change will help a lot. It will also mean tanking in DPS gear or DPSing in tank gear won't be as horribly bad as it is right now.

Commentaire de 240421

All we need now are 2h shields. Wearing one counts as having a 1h wep equipped. Small dinky sword? Who needs it. I'll just carry this wall around.

Commentaire de 220522

Anybody know how much the damage is "modified" by block value?

Commentaire de 306630

Can warriors' shield slam remove Blessings of Protection off their targets when they are immune to physical dmg?

Commentaire de 168039

No, Shield Slam cannot dispell Blessing of Protection, Divine Shield, or any other physical damage immunities.

Commentaire de RazerMuffin

For all the guys thinking of being a PvP Prot here is the damage that Shield Slam will deal for Warriors who have the following talents.

Shield Mastery, Gag Order, One-Handed Weapon Spec, and Imp Defensive Stance.

And one factor that is not a talent that will come in is Defensive Stance. While the current damage reduction is 10% in the upcoming 3.1 patch it will be reduced to 5% only.

Shield Block Is something that can boost the damage of this ability greatly. You can look at this ability as "Make my next 2-3 ( Depending if Sword and Board procs) Shield Slams deal massive damage"
Another thing to note is that Critical Block will not help this ability. This talent does not give a buff of any type, it simply gives your blocks a chance to "Crit" and block double the amount for that single attack only.
Another thing that will help greatly is Glyph of Blocking.

NOTE: I will not link these again and will do the rest of the comment using the abbrevations

SS= Shield Slam, IDS = Improved Defence Stance, SM = Shield Mastery, GO = Gag Order, O-H WS = One-handed Weapon Spec (O instead of 1 to avoid too much numbers) GOB = Glyph of Blocking, DS = Defensive Stance, and SB = Shield Block
and etc. I will also be using a SBV of 1000. About average for a person with some tanking gear. If that isn't normal, too bad, I like the nice, round number.

Normal Damage. (No chance for first SS to proc the Glyph or Imp Def Stance to be active.)
(1000 + ) x 0.9 DS x 1.1 GO x 1.1 O-H WS = roughly 2500 Damage

Damage with Improved Defensive Stance procced
(1000 SS + ) x 0.9 DS x 1.1 GO x 1.1 O-H WS x 1.1 IDS = roughly 2750 Damage

Damage with GOB active
(1000 SS + ) x 0.9 DS x 1.1 GO x 1.1 O-H WS = roughly 2650

Damage with SB active
(1000 SS + ) x 0.9 DS x 1.1 GO x 1.1 O-H WS = roughly 3900 Damage

You can roll all these factors together to get this Grand Daddy formula

Damage with SB, GOB, and IDS procced
(1000 SS + ) x 0.9 DS x 1.1 GO x 1.1 O-H WS x 1.1 IDS = roughly 4600 Damage

But this base damage is all on normal hits, what matters is the Shield Slam Crits that will come hard and often thanks to things like Critical Block's SS Modifier

The Grand-Daddy Crit Formula with the Impale talent
4600 x 2.2 = 10120 damage

And this is a basic number, there is many who have a Block Values of 1400+ and achieve crits of 13000 and higher.

From these reports, I have crunched the numbers and found that either WoW SS calculates the additives to SBV twice
(Once for base SBV and again for SS damage) or WoW stats do not count additives to SBV on the character window. But my guess is the first one. And according to how SS is phrased, seems the best choice and makes some sense.

But if this is true, then the formulas above must be redone with all additives done to the base SBV once then the higher number is to be put back in to be affected by the same modifiers again.
This theory must be tested by someone with a bit more time on their hands than me to be confirmed, but given this following formula, it seems to add up.

SBV Base = 1400 x 1.1 GOB x 1.3 SM = 2002
(1000 SS + ) x 0.9 DS x 1.1 GO x 1.1 O-H WS x 1.1 IDS x 2.2 Crit = 17710 roughly

The only issue I got with this formula is that SB isn't calculated twice, two explanations to this thing.
1: I am missing something in the original formula that adds to the damage.
2: Blizz knows this and the Devs only made it to be added in once.

If the latter is true, then we can be looking at a nice boost coming the next patch.

(1000 SS + ) x 0.95 DS x 1.1 GO x 1.1 O-H WS x 1.1 IDS x 2.2 Crit = 18705 roughly

Commentaire de 302702

Shield slam is an amazing pvp ability. On my level 69 ret paladin with 40% damage reduction from armor, I fought a twinked level 69 prot warrior. He shield slammed me for 3.5k damage.

Now I play a prot warrior.

Commentaire de snags

Recent 3.2 PTR patch notes:

Shield Slam: The benefit from additional block value this ability gains is now subject to diminishing returns. Diminishing returns occur once block value exceeds 30 times the player's level and caps the maximum damage benefit from shield block value at 34.5 times the player's level.

At 80, until you get 2400 BV this has no effect, hard cap at 2760. I think this is mainly to smooth out the burst from Shield Block+Shield Slam with BV changes in 3.2, a recently reverted change had Shield Block not giving a bonus to Shield Slam anymore.. but yeah, luckily they changed it back :)

Commentaire de Kabi

Im having troubles with the formula for the base damage of the Shield slam:
Lets say you get 34.5 times your level as block value

2760 + 1040 from shield slam (well it gets diminishing returns so im not sure if its 2760)

3800 Damage oK?

Now you get
-5% defense stance
+10% gag
+10% 1Hand
+10% enrage
+10% T7

So the formula should go down to:

3800 x 0.95 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 = Damage
3610 without any buff
3971 with 1 buff
4368.1 with 2 buffs
4804.91 with 3 buffs
5285,401 with the 4 buffs

So the max damage you can get from a shield slam is 5285.401

Well the issue is this -> i did a 5200 slam without T7 damage bust when the maths say that 4800 is the limit
it was on a 80 mob in icecrown
No it didnt have the disarm debuff for 10% extra damage

Im doing something wrong here?

Commentaire de Magepro

Whether your Shield Slam lands or not depends on the skill of the weapon you're using in the other hand. So, for example, if you're skilling up a new type of 1H, you'll miss a lot of Shield Slams.

Commentaire de syrimatu

got a 5.5k non crit shield slam + a shield slam crit for 11286
1050 block value from gear
vh trinket
shield block

Commentaire de 531652

The highest rank for Shield Slam without The Burning Crusade.

Commentaire de brandonspikes

World of Warcraft Client Patch 3.3.2-
Shield Slam - Damage bonus from block value decreased for players with lower end equipment. Players with high-end equipment will not notice as much of a difference. In addition, threat generated has been increased by 30%.

Commentaire de holto97

Shield Slam is one of the Warrior's most powerful strikes. It is very useful.

Commentaire de 125795

I'm trying to look at this from a PvP warriors PoV. Shield Slam can dispel magic buffs, these include;
-DK(Horn of Winter)
-Paladin(BoSanct,BoW,BoM,BoK,RF,BoF,Holy Shield,Redoubt,Divine Sacrifice,Divine Illumination,Beacon of Light,Sacred Shield,Divine Plea,FoL)
-Priest(PW:Fort,PW:shield,Spirit)
-Warlocks(Soul Link,Fel Armor,Demon Armor)
-Mages(Arcane Brilliance,Arcane Intellect,Dalaran Brilliance,Dalaran Intellect,Frost Armor,Ice Armor,Mana Shield)
-Druids(Innervate,Barkskin,Gift of the Wild,Mark of the Wild,Lifebloom,Regrowth,Rejuvenation,Wild Growth,Nature's Grasp)
-Shaman(Bloodlust,Heroism,Water Shield,Earth Shield,Ghost Wolf,Elemental Focus,Elemental Mastery,Riptide)

Please correct me if I am wrong, or add stuff I forgot. Thanks in advance. :)

Commentaire de Hullupuuro

when attacking i.e. a priest with only PW: shield on (just being theoretically, they all have at least fortitude, but nevertheless) with this skill, does it first take off one buff and then do damage or shall I first be hitting the bubble and then dispelling it?

Commentaire de Muspel

Five bucks says the AP scaling on this gets nerfed HARD. 100% is way too much.

EDIT: And it did. I think it's like 60-70% now, or something around there.

Commentaire de 629499

Love it:D

Commentaire de Lightbrand

I have a "bad" example.

End of TBC in full Sunwell gear I can crit around 3-5k.
End of Wrath in not best Wrath gear I can crit 11-13k.

With Mortal strike. Although I don't remember if that 11-13k is from ICC with 30% buff, it probably is.

Commentaire de 660647

Cata version of this is... erm... *cough*OP*cough*, as it scales with attack power.
In wrath with Shield Block on it deals quite big damage. In Cata, I guess with Heavy Repercussions talent, we will have +20k crit easiliy.

EDIT: This post was made before the Nerf, when shield slam got 100% of your AP as bonus damage.

Commentaire de Badaccus

Halibut

Crank it up in quality, you'll see a mage with 77k hp, doing 20k crits in blue gear. (maybe not in that vid, but he's got more videos up, in the Blackrock-dungeon i saw him doing just that.)

Now a mage has 20-25k hp, and some classes can burn half of that in 1-2 GCD's, thats dealing 50% hp, and a 20k crit would take about 30% in cataclysm, so i'd say 20k isnt too bad, but it probably will get nerfed anyway, because we cant have tanks dealing massive damage now can we? =P

Commentaire de 91936

Has anyone done any number crunching on how well this scales with attack power since patch 4.0.1? I have seen 3 12k+ crit poping Shield Block and Recklessnes

Commentaire de Genoso

strangely enough leveling my warrior as protection i've noticed that shield slam shares a cool down with the plain regular "strike" ability all warriors start with i have yet to see if it shares a cool down with heroic strike cause i'm not high enough on my warrior yet but just to inform you guys, you can't shield slam and then insta strike because of this

Commentaire de 37437

Please, for the love of God, stop using this without knowing the effects of doing such. Warriors are constantly spamming this during the Ozruk event and dispelling the reflect that is needed, thus wiping groups. (Then usually %^&*!ing about dieing).

Commentaire de 452961

I agree, but this fight is very difficult for first-time tanks - there's a lot to take care of and very small margin for error. Whilst it gets easy with practise, asking them to fundamentally change their rotation (and ignore S&B procs) is a tall order :) - therefore, give them a little slack as they get used to the fight.

ofc, if they've done it loads, then they should really know better...

Commentaire de pidro

The current description on WoW is "Hits the target with your shield for high damage". That's it. It does not even specify that it dispels 1 magic effect.

Commentaire de 824036

In 4.2 they will remove "Also causes a high amount of threat." O_O Why?

Commentaire de 661165

No additional treath in 4.2

seriously blizzard....

Commentaire de Wani

Before anyone else comments on 4.2, the bonus threat on Shield Slam was removed in 4.0.6, and the change in 4.2 is simply a tooltip update. You can test it in game, hitting a mob with Shield Slam will deal no bonus threat. If you hit for 1000 damage with no Defensive Stance, you gain 1000 threat, if you hit for 1000 with Defensive Stance, you'll gain 3000 threat (1000 + 200%).

Commentaire de Ssateneth

Whats the AP coefficient on shield slam?

Commentaire de Valer

Anyone know what the AP coeffient of this is?

Commentaire de kgurnhill

This dispels magic effects before the damage is calculated.

Proof of this?
In Utgarde Keep, there are Dragonflayer Runecasters who cast Njord's Rune of Protection on their allies, now if you use Shield Slam on a shielded target, they still take full damage while dispelling the Rune of Protection!

This also works in other situations aswell, me and my brother tested this before posting.
My brother logged into his Priest and we started a duel (He has no resilience, at all) and he used Power Word: Shield (The only buff he had) and i used Shield Slam, he took the full damage and his PW:S was also dispelled!

Really, an awesome ability!

Commentaire de Thottbot

I have a pal who has spec. Prot. and he tels me he is rly pissed of whit Shield Slam. Im fury myself so i dont know, anyone here who admires Shield Slam and think its worth the 1 talent point?

Commentaire de Thottbot

Does Shield Slam have a good rate of removing priest / frost-mage's overshields in pvp?

Commentaire de Thottbot

yeah, 50%. Also, the rage cost has been reduced to 20. I now consider my shield my second weapon. With focused rage, you can reduce the cost to 17 rage. Not bad. I find it quite useful.

Commentaire de Thottbot

from my experience as a protection warrior, 3 points into improved heroic strike, and three points into focused rage (going for improved thunder clap as well) when I get high on rate, I spam shield slam, heroic strike and revenge like a mad man.

I tested out how well I could hold aggro with this, I held aggro for a whole entire boss with a level 70 mage in the group (I'm level 63 we were running Blood Furnace).

Truly amazing skill I say!

Commentaire de Thottbot

Shield Slam is the best threat producer a protection warrior has. It also does the most damage.

One block value = one more damage shield slam does

One block value = one damage absorbed when you actually block with your shield

If you are prot and don't have Shield Slam, you are not a tank.

Commentaire de KingMurloc

Damage of this abillity scales with 100% of total block value you have. You can see your total block value in your character window > defenses.
Total block value got increased by 30% with warrior talents. And resulting number further increased by total 10% with metagem.
It is possible to get 800 block value without visiting raids,joining pvp or geting epic items in general.
If you focus on block value entirely, it is possible to achieve 2k points total in Bruning Crusade.
With 2000 block value+T6+Spécialisation Arme 1M you will see yourself hiting raid bosses for over 2k damage
With further Empaler, you will crit raid bosses for over 4.4k damage.
Block value focused warrior will almost double this damage number in WotLK prepatch with shield block active,almost oneshoting people in PvP.

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Heurt de bouclier

Heurt de bouclier	Niveau 85

Talent

Rage : 20	Allonge

Incantation immédiate	6 s de recharge

Donne un coup de bouclier à la cible, lui infligeant 1724 points de dégâts (en fonction de la puissance d'attaque), et dissipe 1 effet de magie sur elle.

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Durée

n/d

École

Physique

Mécanique

n/d

Type de dissipation

n/d

Catégorie GCD

Standard

Coût

Rage : 20

Portée

5 mètres (Combat)

Incantation

Instantanée

Recharge

6 secondes

GCD

1.5 secondes

Effet #1

Dispel (Magie)
Valeur : 2 (Mod. AP : 0.6)
Multiplicateur JcJ : 1

Effet #2

School Damage (Physique)
Valeur : 294 (Mod. AP : 0.6)
Multiplicateur JcJ : 1

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Est une technique
Ne peut être utilisé en changeforme
Ne pas journaliser le rengainage
Démarre le combat (active l'attaque auto)
Décompte la puissance quand raté
Pas dans le livre de sorts sauf si appris

Heurt de bouclier

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